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PostSubject: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:00 pm

So, I didn't get to watch Wrestlemania last night. But, since I have the WWE network, I decided that I would not read any spoilers and I would sit through and watch it today not knowing what to expect. And I was taking notes throughout the show. Here are my thoughts that no one cares about but I'm putting out there anyway.

1. Why are so man people pretending to care about Hogan? Bull's signature is more accurate than I realized.
2. Did Hogan fuck up his promo for comedic nostalgia, or because he's developing Alzheimer's?
3. STONE COLD! STONE COLD!
4. The crowd that just went wild for Hogan just went wild for Stone Cold insinuating he was going to whoop his ass, then cheered for Stone Cold saying he respected Hogan. Make up your mind, you hypocritical crowd.
5. Aaaaaand The Rock is here. Though I find all 3 overrated, this is fucking awesome.
6. Who's next? Kurt Angle? Ric Flair? GOLDBERG? DOINK?!?!?!
7. The Silverdome jokes are pretty funny. At least Hogan can take a joke.
8. I have a feeling Sting will show up at some point tonight.
9. "Rock babies" had me laughing.
10. And the plug for Diet Mountain Dew was done TERRIBLY. I have half a mind to turn off the show.
11. Daniel Bryan's video package was awesome. I've really been overlooking this feud.
12. Triple H has a bad ass entrance as always.
13. Steph looks like a French hooker.
14. I found myself moving my arms up and yelling "YES" when Bryan came out. And that's why I'm a virgin.
15. Even when Daniel Bryan botches, it looks awesome.
16. Great match, and great job to Triple H for putting him over and not by a "fluke" way such as a roll up or something.
17. The Shield! YaY!
18. That was one of the worst Wrestlemania matches ever.
19. That was one of the worst Wrestlemania backstage segments ever.
20. Sheamus and Big Show are the only ones to get entrances. Fuck everyone else in the match.
21. Cody Rhodes and The Miz both got eliminated much too early....
22. Kofi Kingston, HOLY SHIT. How does this keep happening?
23. Very happy Cesaro won this match. Hopefully this is about to kickstart a main event push for him.
24. I missed Bray Wyatt and John Cena due to my dumbass friend. I heard it was good though, so I intend on watching it.
25. God damn Undertaker's entrance is long.
26. Slow pace, but a decent match. Undertaker is looking in worse shape.
27. Really? Undertaker is going to kick out of 3 F5---WHAT THE FUCK?!
28. Mouth and eyes wide open, speechless.
29. Still speechless.
30. I always wanted the streak to end, and now I wish it hadn't....
31. Guess I was wrong about Sting coming out.
32. Glad to know that a shitty divas match is going on later than one of the biggest legacies in WWE history being killed.
33. Not paying too much attention to this one, as it is a divas match.
34. AJ Lee retains, cool.
35. Finally time for the main event. Fingers crossed for Daniel.
36. That Batista bomb/RKO neckbreaker through the announce table has me more concerned for Randy Orton, who cut his back on one of the monitors. Ouch.
37. No way in hell Bryan goes out on that stretcher.
38. Told you.
39. YES! YES YES! YES!
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:16 pm

Hah. Agreed with most of these aside from calling three of the greatest of all time overrated Mad as hell
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:40 pm

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Hah. Agreed with most of these aside from calling three of the greatest of all time overrated Mad as hell
Hogan - overrated as fuck
Stone Cold - wasn't a ring specialist by any means, but his promos were the best.
The Rock - Not quite as good as Stone Cold on the mic(still good, but less natural) but better in the ring.

All 3 are legends, but not as great of PERFORMERS as they are hyped up to be.
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:00 pm

Hogan created Wrestlemania and Austin/Rock put on the best shows bar none. They're not overrated. They deserve all the praise they get. Funny
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:18 pm

It's the Hulkster brother.

I marked like hell.

And we knew Stone Cold wasn't going to kick Hogan's ass.

The Rock was the best of the three on the mic ... because he's the best ever on the mic.
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:24 pm

You have a lawsuit on your hand if Austin was going to sneeze on Hogan, break him into a million pieces.

But yeah agree with Razor, they deserve all the praise they get. In ring work isn't "THE" Most important thing. It's about connecting with the fans, and all three have done that 10 times over

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:39 pm

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Hogan created Wrestlemania and Austin/Rock put on the best shows bar none. They're not overrated. They deserve all the praise they get. Funny
It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. By no means do I think Hogan, Rock, and Stone Cold weren't amazing entertainers and even performers(Well, I do think Hogan wasn't a great performer and that opinion won't ever really be changed). I just think The Rock, Stone Cold, and Hulk Hogan were overhyped in terms of in-ring ability, though The Rock and Stone Cold could put on amazing matches at times.

Overrated doesn't necessarily mean bad. I can understand why people would call some of my all-time favorites overrated.

And as far as the best on the mic, I'd give it to The Rock last night. But in total, I'd give it to Stone Cold because his promos normally seem much less rehearsed and he can have you dying with random one liners. Rock can cut a better promo occassionally though.
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:12 am

On #32, I actually support the divas match going on after the Streak. Why? The crowd needed time to die down. They needed a chance to get out of the shock and awe of the Streak being over to be ready to cheer their asses off when bryan won. It was nothing but cooldown which they most liksely expected it to be dead.
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:22 am

Yeah That


Agreed with most of those notes though but The Rock, Stone Cold & Hulk Hogan are among the best of all time UNLESS only looking at ring skills alone. Overall, looking at all skillsets put together, they are better than everyone else pretty much, they are better performers/entertainers than everyone else, etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:36 am

The Streak ending like this was just wrong. Of all the people it was Fucking Brock.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:42 am

Taker picked Brock. Indifferent

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:43 am

Just because it was Taker's choice doesn't make it the right choice. At the end of the day I respect his opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:46 am

Why do people keep saying "Taker picked Brock" as if that makes any sort of a difference? It doesn't. At all. Funny
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:49 am

It really made it feel like all that time into the streak was all for nothing. Only thing it did was just create shock, and that doesn't always make it a good thing. Cena could take a giant shit in the middle of the ring. It would be shocking...funny...but it wouldn't be a good thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:22 am

I really don't think Brock was that bad of a choice. IF they really needed to end it then it's better they had an established star (heel definitely, personally I never understood how some people could say someone like John Cena should end it) with a pretty long history of dominance in the company do it.

Not some rising star, whether heel or face, that's going to use breaking the streak as something to build their career off of. That's dumb and cheap heat / cheap momentum. If they're going to give someone cheap heat like that give it to the guy that can't possibly fail because they've already built their legacy in the WWE. Even before this you can't say people weren't going to look back and remember Brock Lesnar as an absolute force in wrestling and this adds to that legacy. You can't say that damages the legacy or prestige of the streak more than Taker losing to almost any other wrestler would.

A guy that's believably a "beast" who was realistically capable of ending the streak that no one else could. Brock fits it all pretty well. The guy that's viewed as the alpha male heel with the pure evil/annoying (but amazing) manager doesn't seem like a bad choice at all when you think about it. The streak shouldn't be used as basically like a push mechanism for a superstar (or shouldn't have been since it's done now)... it's historic and worth more than that... that's why I was always against the streak ever ending, there's no point really. But at least they had one of the most dominant, most hated heels in recent memory do it.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:36 am

It was bad because, one the build up to the match was bad. The match was bad, and it just created a very bad moment. It was all just for shock and awe and like I said that isn't always a good thing. After all these years of build up, it just felt like it was all for nothing. WWE will get no investment out of this what so ever, cause Lesnar can just take his ball right now and never come back. He's done it before.

I would have much rather have it be someone like Bray or Reigns or even Cena be the one to end it. As much as it would piss off tons of people, at least Cena would respect it and be humbled by it. Cena is a established star and shows up every fucking show unlike that Prick Brock Lesnar.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:04 am

Bray Wyatt would've been a decent choice but IMO that shows less respect towards the ending of the streak if it's not an established superstar that did it. I think Undertaker chose Brock for good reason and I stand by my personal reasons that I posted for Brock not being a bad choice. Undertaker probably felt the same way.

I do just feel like it would've been better to never end the streak but I'm not completely hating that Brock ended it. The shock factor was just extra and again IMO it wasn't that bad of a moment: Heyman was typical gold with his reaction and Brock was pretty much the right established heel for the job in order to believably end something so prestigious. Both on a hated level and dominant level it made sense for it to be him; with Heyman in his corner. As someone who never wanted to see it end, I expected worse if it ever happened.

It's about the history, not about making something out of the guy that ended the streak. That person should already have a pretty big legacy with the company, and Brock has that.

And lastly, I think having a face end the streak just wouldn't have been good at all cause it was something that tons of people were going to hate no matter what. No need for a face to continue their career with any kind of heat from that.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:08 am

If anything it shouldn't have ended if this is all they could fucking come up with. Just have Taker retire 22-0. More than 20 years of building this streak and they just end it like this and toss it to aside. The fact it meant a lot to so many people, it was like a big slap in the face and a big fuck you.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:14 am

WM 30, a great show, Daniel Bryan's Night...But it's also the night the streak ended in the dumbest fucking way.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:28 am

Someone like Reigns or Wyatt for example... they have nothing established under their name. Very little proven going into the match. That's not deserving of ending something so prestigious. On top of that, imagine if afterwards WWE managed to drop the ball on whoever that was that ended the streak. Or fans completely reject that heel for ending the streak. Prestige of the streak would be completely gone. It's also disrespectful to what the streak has meant over the years to try to use it to build another guy's career (or help give them a big push)...

Like I said, Brock's already established so there's no possible failure there. He could retire next week and it doesn't change his accomplishments and the fact that he was a dominant force in the WWE for years. It was more nostalgic for both sides than some rising star ending it and this only builds onto the legacy Lesnar already had. I don't see the major problem. I don\'t know

Maybe it's cause the match could've been a lot better (but idk I honestly kinda liked it, just definitely worse than Taker's past few WM matches).



The streak shouldn't have ended, though. Brock was just one of the better choices considering it did end.. and very fitting for the role in many ways, including having Heyman to support him.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:33 am

Exactly! best way to put it Bull.

Wrestling is just wrestling. It's a show, it's entertainment, but shit, when I saw his streak end just like that. In a shitty match, to a shitty wrestler that didn't deserve it, without any hype whatsoever, and then have it tossed aside since Lesnar isn't even gonna be sticking around, it honestly killed wrestling for me. I mean, I grew up with it, this was my childhood. As a kid, the most exciting thing to me in wrestling was the streak. This was all of it, people don't seem to understand that. As someone whose favorite wrestler has been the Undertaker since he started watching, as someone who loved the idea of the streak and enjoyed every defense, I feel SUPER cheated. I don't even feel like watching wrestling anymore. It's just wrestling and yet I can't seem to get that heartbreaking moment I experienced when I saw the 3 count and Taker's streak ending out of my head. It feels weird. Like, I never cared about wrestling enough for it to completely ruin my day. I can't even enjoy all this super awesome shit I've been waiting for (Cesaro's push, Bryan winning the title, Paige coming up and becoming divas champ, The Shield getting their rightful place in the main event, etc. etc.) because of the fact that it just bothers me so much that the streak ended. It means THAT much to me. Now, it'd be a retarded exaggeration to say that I'm never gonna watch RAW or any PPV again, but honestly it's insanely hard for me to enjoy it. This RAW tonight was great and I enjoyed watching it, but it all came back to the streak over and over. Yeah, it's just a show, yeah it's just wrestling, but it legitimately ruined it for me. Like, how can I ever become happy with something again just to watch it get completely shit on the way it did? WM 30 was probably the best WM without exceptions because of all the amazing shit that went down, but I can't even think about it because of the fact that this is the PPV where a huge part of me died wrestling-wise. I don't want to rewatch it, I don't want to see highlights or talk about it. I've NEVER been one to bitch about WWE's decisions (I always get into arguments with Dead cause he thinks I'm a super WWE-fanboy that will praise them for anything and everything), but after that I legit said "fuck WWE. Fuck WWE. Fucking hate WWE." even after the amazing show that was put on. I can pretend it doesn't matter, I can pretend I'm not THAT big of a nerd to care, but it's a lie. I do care. It ruined wrestling for me. I can't find myself being as excited as I was for it. I don't wanna say I will never feel that way again as it'd be a lie, but I honestly can't see myself ever getting past it. I don't even want to THINK about wrestling anymore. It's that big of a deal. To some, it doesn't matter. They don't care. That's fine, I get that. You weren't a huge Taker fan, you didn't care about it growing up, ok, fine, whatever. You're entitled to your opinion. You love Brock Lesnar so him ending it was cool for you, fine, whatever. But don't try to be a dick towards people that actually gave a shit about the streak, that grew up with it, that was almost the only thing they cared about in wrestling. Because that's not right. It's like your favorite NFL/NBA/Soccer team losing to your least favorite team in the Superbowl or whatever matched event, but 22 times worse. It hits hard. And when WWE treats it like it's not that big of a thing, it's a huge slap to our faces. Even now I can't get it out of my head and I can't get over it. It's a part of my childhood and it always will be.
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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:37 am

No I am not buying Brock as a one of the better choices. Something this prestigious and honorable shouldn't be ended by a asshole who left WWE high and dry back in 04. WWE isn't gaining nothing to it. All it does it give such a honor to a unworthy mother fucker like brock.

And the worst thing of all of this, is how it fucking ended. Remember the build up to Flair's final match? to Shawn's final match? The road to both of those where emotional roller coasters and tho it ended with tears and heart break, at the end people accepted it because it was such a moment. But the build up to taker vs Brock was just trash.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:47 am

^^ Sad

I completely agree with that to a lesser extent although I can accept it personally. Don't necessarily know how but it's kind of the reasons I've said, mainly after letting it all sink in. Also, Undertaker has always been one of my favorites and I've been a huge supporter of THE STREAK SHOULD NEVER END.


But... since they decided they were going to be assholes and end it for some reason... Lesnar wasn't a bad choice IMO. He was a pretty solid choice in fact. He has a history, an extremely dominant legacy in this modern era (blah blah blah I've already said it so yeah Funny). People won't forget that even if Lesnar ends his WWE career shortly. The fact he's left doesn't mean anything. I'd hate it much more if some rising star ended it and used it as a stepping stone for themselves... I'm sure of that.

Maybe the buildup (didn't follow too much of the buildup aside from a few random weeks) and match could've been better but I still somehow didn't mind that moment despite truly NEVER wanting, or expecting, the streak to ever end.

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PostSubject: Re: Caleb's 39 Notes from Wrestlemania   Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:47 am

I also found this thing on a wrestling news site/site similar to bleacher report. It was part of an article. No lie, I feel exactly like this kid did. Reading it, I could completely connect with him. This is a letter someone wrote and sent in to the editor:

I’ve been looking forward to going to a WrestleMania for as long as I can remember things and last night, I finally got to experience it. Still, I went to Superdome a little bummed out. I missed my son. He’s 18 months old and it was pretty clear that he wouldn’t be able to a) sit still for four hours, especially past his bedtime and b) handle all the noise, chaos and fireworks, so he stayed at home with my wife and step-daughter.

Still, I learned this weekend that It’s one thing to be a wrestling fan, but it’s entirely a new experience to be a wrestling fan who’s a parent of little wrestling fans. I took my son and step-daughter to Axxess on Friday night and it was absolutely a top five moment as a parent. The girl cub was reluctant to go – sure she watches wrestling with me but she was lukewarm on going to an event. My son watches wrestling with me and is generally only still when WWE, NBA or NFL is on. However, I went to Axxess sort of disappointed that I knew they wouldn’t have patience for us to wait in line and meet any wrestlers or superstars or talent or whatever they’re called.

That disappointment went away immediately upon entering the Convention Center. My step-daughter was all in as soon as she saw those bright lights, posters, music and a Fruity Pebbles ring. About five minutes into Axxess, she looked at me with all seriousness and said, “Pop, I really appreciate you for taking me here.” I could write 1,000 more words about the step-parent dynamic and how complicated it can get, but just take my word for it: I’ll never forget her saying that. Then, my son and I did the f*cking Daniel Bryan entrance together (basically me holding his hands and making him do the YES chant like a little mimi-me puppet) at the ring entrance simulator. Seriously, nothing all weekend topped these moments. For one night, I saw wrestling as a thing that made my kids immeasurably happy. And this weird thing that I watch where guys in underwear fake fight each other has instantly became more important to me than it has ever before in my life.

Which brings me to this kid. This kid. There was a kid sitting directly in front of us in full Undertaker Shop Zone regalia. He even turned the back of a kid’s menu from Walk-Ons into a makeshift Undertaker sign. He couldn’t have been having more fun.

Then the Undertaker lost.

The kid was inconsolable. He sobbed. He screamed. He cried through the divas match. He ripped off his Undertaker necklace. He balled up his poster and punched it. He also got his foot caught in his chair, which probably only pissed him off more.

Basically, he broke my heart.

All of a sudden, I felt like a horrible parent. I’ve introduced my son to this cruel, manipulative form of storytelling that’ll make him ecstatic sometimes, but he might spend an entire night crying and balling up his Walk-Ons menu. I wanted to grab this kid and figure out a way to make it all better. To make it worse, the kid was rooting for The Streak, which means his family didn’t have to do that pre-wrestling softening of the blow that they would have done for a Cena match. You know, “now, if Cena doesn’t win, it’ll be okay. He’ll come back.” No, this was the Undertaker and WrestleMania. Cheer all you want, kid. Put your heart all the way into this match. There’s literally no way you’ll end up sad. Then Lesnar killed Undertaker and this kid had the worst night of his life. My dad genes kicked in and I couldn’t stop feeling bad for him.

Shit, man. I kept thinking that one day my son will be crying his eyes out and it’ll be because I brought him into wrestling and there won’t be anything I can do to make it better. Then, I remember that the same would apply if I replaced the word “wrestling” in that sentence with “the world.” I’ll just have to remember that for every time his Undertaker loses, there will be a YES chant down a fake ramp, and those good times will outweigh everything else. That’s the best a parent can hope for.
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