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Anyone that wouldn't trade every single guy in the ROH roster for John Cena is dumb.

OK, guy maybe, but we keep Veda Scott and Maria Kanelis.

MERCENARY EEYEN wrote:

Anyone that wouldn't trade every single guy in the ROH roster for John Cena is dumb.

That's stupid. How is Cena supposed to have good matches on his own? Trade every guy but one so Cena at least has an opponent.

lol John Cena having good matches on his own

Not sure how many guys have good matches on their own. The wrestling matches that you have with yourself in the bedroom don't count, by the way.

Ric Flair wrestled a broom once.

Cena sucks but Michael Elgin is great!

Cesaro carried Cena. Cena should be fired. Replace him with Kevin Steen, he has talent.

Cena is the best

Android Mink wrote:

Not sure how many guys have good matches on their own. The wrestling matches that you have with yourself in the bedroom don't count, by the way.

Speaking from experience? Harsh.

Being Cena fan boy = Not being a complete idiot, according to Dead's logic.

Ive decided im going to drink the koolaid right along with you guys, because everytime someone criticizes Cena you all act like the world is going to end. It's like going onto Twitter and seeing fangirls getting pissed because someone made fun of Seth Rollins hair color.

Drink the koolaid? Are you really using a political term to argue wrestling? Geez.

No, people just aren't complete idiots anymore (well, slowly but surely, anyway). People are starting to realize that the irrational Cena hate is retarded as there is no basis for it all. Criticizing Cena =/= being a complete idiot and coming up with retarded reasons to dislike him. In fact, let's go over those.

"He only uses four moves! and he does them after getting beaten up all match!"
-So does everyone else. Look at any major face, they all do the same thing.

*starts using tons of other moves*
-"Stop trying to rub him in my face WWE. he still does them in a shitty way! and he never puts anyone over!"

*Loses cleanly to Bryan*
-"Uhh.. his matches still suck!"

*Puts on great matches with tons of people*
"He got carried, by everyone!"
-Retarded argument, it takes two to put on a good match, otherwise those who 'carried' him would never have a shitty match.

Let's see, anything else?

"I'm tired of him being in the main event scene!"
-he's the main face, of course he's going to be in the main event scene. Austin and Rock were constantly in the biggest feuds. Plus, he doesn't book the matches.

Fact is, there is no RATIONAL reason to dislike Cena. You're just hating him cause he's the main face, WWE likes him, and people are starting to realize how stupid it is to dislike him for no reason. Now, if you're just disliking him to try and get people mad, I find that works a lot better with Daniel Bryan or Colt Cabana. Try them instead.

LOL, lets see here:

-Is always booked to look like the underdog in every single feud time after time after time, even though hes a 14 time world champion
-Cuts the same promo about how he never gives up and how he does all "this" for the people. Triple H in his heyday never cut the same fucking promo back to back in ANY feud.
-If he's so damn good, why isnt he making OTHER people look good? He wrestles Orton and Sheamus yet the matches come off bland and boring, yet he wrestles guys like Bryan and Cesaro and looks like a million bucks? So i have a hard fucking time seeing where all these other great matches come from, unless you're pro Cena and dont think the guy is shit in any single way.

So no, there is no "hating Cena just to do it", the only ones who think that are the ones that cheer for him every single week. Its funny that the same people that piss, moan, whine, and bitch about people's opinions about Cena are the same ones that are moaning and bitching about those said opinions. At the end of the day, stop trying to be something you're not, and that's better than all the other people that hate Cena and try to throw out nonsense like "OMG IF THIS WAS ROH IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER" because thats honestly the only argument you have.

My problem with Cena is the way he's booked.

I know he's a great wrestler I just don't like his promos and at times his character. Of course he's like that because it's what the kids want.

The problem really is that outside the main event WWE creative doesn't really pay attention. That or they don't care. I'll admit there were some interesting things going on in the mid card but nothing really to hold my interest. The product is obviously not for me.

Pro Cena wrote:

LOL, lets see here:

-Is always booked to look like the underdog in every single feud time after time after time, even though hes a 14 time world champion
-Cuts the same promo about how he never gives up and how he does all "this" for the people. Triple H in his heyday never cut the same fucking promo back to back in ANY feud.
-If he's so damn good, why isnt he making OTHER people look good? He wrestles Orton and Sheamus yet the matches come off bland and boring, yet he wrestles guys like Bryan and Cesaro and looks like a million bucks? So i have a hard fucking time seeing where all these other great matches come from, unless you're pro Cena and dont think the guy is shit in any single way.

So no, there is no "hating Cena just to do it", the only ones who think that are the ones that cheer for him every single week.

-Which feuds has he been the underdog? The one vs Punk and his 400+ day title reign, where he had The Shield, Ryback, and Heyman to deal with too? I can see why that'd be. The one with The Rock where the entire world cheered The Rock and booed him? Or the same with Lesnar? I'd dare say he HAS been the underdog. The only time he wouldn't be is when he feuded with Bryan, and Bryan came off as the underdog.

-Triple H was more of the "CM Punk" of "back then". Look through the "Rethink your opinion" thread. A better comparison would be to The Rock and Stone Cold. and yes, they both got hated on for the same things. People on the internet would say "They come out, say the same shit every week, wrestle the exact same match, same old shit."

-Actually, his matches with Orton and Sheamus were great. The only thing is, if the crowd isn't behind it, it isn't going to be a good match. His match with Orton on RAW was great, and his match with him at the RR was very good, despite the crowd booing it from the get-go. Also, you failed to explain my point. If Punk or Bryan carried Cena all the time, then why have both Punk and Bryan had shitty matches in the past? If they can carry that "oh so horrible Cena", they should be able to carry anyone else, right? I'm not arguing that Cena hasn't had shitty matches. EVERYONE has had shitty matches, and that's why the "he carried him" argument is the most idiotic, brainless piece of shit argument ever. It makes NO SENSE whatsoever. it takes TWO people to put on a great match, not one. it's a sad, piss poor argument used by morons that can't explain why this "awful" Cena is putting on brilliant matches. it takes TWO to put on a good match, not ONE. Otherwise, that one would NEVER have shitty matches, and Punk/Bryan/Cesaro have all had shitty matches in the past. As well as Cena. Fuck outta here with that brainless argument.

One person can carry a match. You'll always hear someone make the argument that some bad wrestler is a great one because he had great matches with Chris Benoit or Shawn Michels. John Cena was even able to carry a match with The Great Khali.

I think crowd reaction is very important. I'm able to watch Warrior vs. Hogan because the crowd was super into it. But same thing happens with a bad crowd reaction. Makes it not watchable.

No, they can't. If that were true, then whoever they put on a great match with (in this case, Benoit or Michaels) would never have bad matches.

Pro Cena wrote:

Ive decided im going to drink the koolaid right along with you guys, because everytime someone criticizes Cena you all act like the world is going to end. It's like going onto Twitter and seeing fangirls getting pissed because someone made fun of Seth Rollins hair color.

...but yeah, this thread should've really been titled: Razor vs. Dead...part 50

Ask and you shall receive.

Sgt. Drachen wrote:

Pro Cena wrote:

Ive decided im going to drink the koolaid right along with you guys, because everytime someone criticizes Cena you all act like the world is going to end. It's like going onto Twitter and seeing fangirls getting pissed because someone made fun of Seth Rollins hair color.

...but yeah, this thread should've really been titled: Razor vs. Dead...part 50

The sad thing is, i was right with that comment. I've seen so many people get upset for the dumbest shit when it revolves around a certain wrestler.

Perfect Form Razor wrote:

No, they can't. If that were true, then whoever they put on a great match with (in this case, Benoit or Michaels) would never have bad matches.

Go ahead and you tell me a bad Benoit or Michaels match  

I thought you were serious. But I can't say I disagree w/ you either.