Pro Cena wrote:

John Cena isnt better than Michael Elgin, lol. I wanna see Cena deadlift someone from the apron into the ring while being on the 2nd rope.

So we're using power as a way of judging the best wrestlers now?

Congratulations, Mark Henry, officially the greatest wrestler in the world, ever.

No reply, Dead?

Dead wrote:

lol John Cena having good matches on his own

Let's put it this way, Cena couldn't make a broom look good

^

Peg... No, just fucking no.

the amount of moves you can do doesn't means shit really in WWE and it shouldn't. It's about what you do with the moves, how you do it, and why you do it. Cena is highly underrated when it comes to his moveset but he does know the Psychology which most never know. My only problems with Cena is the fact he Dominates but is booked to seem like the underdog. And his character has been the same since 05 and he hasn't changed it.

I think that's a really weak complaint. People change a little bit over time but these huge drastic changes are just fake. A well defined character shouldn't be considered a weakness.

you can call is weak, but it's something that bugs me. I am not saying go from superman to wolverine in one day. but slowly evolve your character, Cena has been the same character since 05 and hasn't changed. Adding moves isn't character change either.

^ Yeah, that was sort of my issue with him, too. I have other complaints about him, but the quality of his matches generally isn't one of them.

Not to say he doesn't have bad matches, because he does and has. But no more than anyone else, I would think. Nor would I say he's necessarily the one responsible for those bad matches, either.

EEYEN wrote:

I think that's a really weak complaint. People change a little bit over time but these huge drastic changes are just fake. A well defined character shouldn't be considered a weakness.

Agreed. it's the same thing people used to bitch about with Stone Cold and The Rock.

the thought of everyone has to be a "You look like you where in the circus spot monkey" and the love child of Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit is stupid. Wrestlers should look different, feel different and be different. Size, power, speed, looks, moves.

Agreed.

Cena vs Punk or Bryan vs Cena were both way better to me than Punk vs Bryan. it's all about how two wrestlers work with each other.

and some guys work well together and others don't. It's not because one is too better than the other and he can't keep up, they just can't work together.

Punk and Ryback can't...but Ryback and Sheamus they can (see their Smackdown match)

I enjoyed Ryback vs Punk

it just seems like they don't have fun with it and rush alot. I mean the build up to their first HITC was amazing. That choke toss up into a powerbomb the Monday before was amazing

Razor wrote:

EEYEN wrote:

I think that's a really weak complaint. People change a little bit over time but these huge drastic changes are just fake. A well defined character shouldn't be considered a weakness.

Agreed. it's the same thing people used to bitch about with Stone Cold and The Rock.

Austin and Rock weren't on top for 9 years  

Cena hasn't been on top for 9 years. he's been ONE of the top stars for a long time, but up until 2010, the company had a ton of main eventers actively (Taker, HHH, Batista, etc.)

Steve Austin would have been had Owen Hart not broke his neck.