Because Brock's the one who's writing the show so badly.

Brock is the special attraction that is no attraction

But if Brock never shows up, that means that people are paying to see the people that do show up at RAW and other PPVs, which means that the blame for falling ratings falls on their heads, and therefore means that Rollins should be fired.

Shame, I liked him.

the whole argument with Brock signing is that he is a special attraction to draw people in, him being champion makes the title mean more, hasn't he done that. If you are saying I am blaming all of WWE's Problem all on Brock you are dead fucking wrong and thought you would know better.

Brock has been a special attraction, though.

Lets just face it, no matter what I say will convince how I feel is right and nothing you say will convince how you feel is right. You wanna like Brock Lesnar, fine that's you. You are ok with him being champion fine, that's you. Me I can stand the son of a bitch, I hate the fact he is champion.

Remember what you said to Razor Mink about when the rock comes out you are pretty much like "Oh great, this asshole again." Well that is how I am with Brock Lesnar.

Yep, but still, the way you phrase your opinion makes it seem it's Lesnar's responsibility for WWE ratings to go through the Roof, when he's just the item they are using. Or, in this case, misusing. He's doing what's good for him (both characterwise AND real-lifewise.). I can't blame him. WWE just needs to get their shit straight and start booking their product as a wrestling show, not as a fucking reality show.

I don't mind having a part-timer as a champion as long as they make it something worth watching. And for me, it is. Aside the fact the whole events are poorly booked, which makes the whole thing pointless because of that

I'm not asking why people personally like anyone. No one needs a reason to like anyone. You could like Lesnar cause his hair's blonde for all that matters.

What I'm asking, is how so many stereotypical IWC fans can like Lesnar. He literally fits none of the bills aside from being a pretty good in-ring wrestler. Which, if it were the only thing that mattered, is still pretty irrelevant since there are much better wrestlers than Lesnar.

IWC typically likes people who are:

Hard workers (Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, etc.)

Good on the mic (Ambrose, Wyatt, etc.)

Love wrestling (typically, indy wrestlers love wrestling, as they wouldnt be doing it for any other reason, since they could make more money in WWE than in indies)

Are "deserving." (IE, guys who paid their dues. Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, etc. As well as legends like Undertaker and Ric Flair)

Lesnar is... going down the list:

Not a hard worker. He shows up like 4 times a year. He puts on good matches? Well sure, it must be easy to put on good matches if you only have to wrestle four a year. How can anyone be dense enough to fault people who put on good matches all the time but then shit on them for putting on a few bad ones when they've had to wrestle like 200 that year? Whereas they praise Lesnar for being good in the ring when he only has to wrestle FOUR MATCHES IN A FUCKING YEAR. And don't say it's because he's good in the ring, there are a TON of people good in the ring that are being held back due to him holding the title. Cesaro, Ziggler, Bryan, Ambrose, Rollins. All great in-ring workers, equal to or better than Lesnar, and yet none of them have held the title (bar Bryan last year) and it's ok because Lesnar has it.

Good on the mic. Yes, yes, I've heard a billion times. "BUT HE HAS HEYMAN!" - but he's NOT Heyman. Yes, having a mouthpiece is good when you suck on the mic, but that doesn't mean Lesnar has the attributes of being good on the mic. Heyman is good on the mic, Lesnar isn't. Stop giving credit to Lesnar when it's Heyman doing all the work. IWC hates on Roman Reigns for having bad mic skills, what if they gave Roman a mouthpiece? Would you suddenly hate him less since he's not "bad on the mic anymore"? Lesnar is horrible on the mic, that's not an attribute you can credit him with.

Love wrestling, no. He doesn't. He's in for whatever makes him money, and that's it. The asshole is WORLD CHAMP, works like 15 dates a year, only like 4 of those being actual matches, and yet makes more than the majority of the roster. Yet he still has the audacity to - while being world champ - threaten to leave WWE and go to MMA if they don't give him more money. Are you kidding me? That's insane. and it's insane how any rational thinking person can support a guy like that. He doesn't give half a shit about the business, only about himself. But it's ok, right? I mean, it's not like anyone shits on Roman Reigns when he says he wants to do similar things, right?

He's deserving? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Brock is one of the LEAST deserving people to ever walk into the WWE. He won his first world title SIX MONTHS into his first run in WWE, not having done anything to deserve it. He then went on to be in the main event for a year and a half before disappearing to go do other things cause he cares so much about the business that literally GAVE him everything for pretty much free. Yet he returns 8 years later, gets a mega contract that anyone else would kill for (showing up pretty much whenever he wants, gets paid a ton of money), isn't that much of a legitimate draw (I could understand if he were selling like The Rock did, but he isn't. He isn't selling anything, or at least not enough to warrant his enormous contract.) He gets to end the streak, he gets to hold the world title, he gets to come and go whenever he feels like it. And for what? He didn't do anything to get to that position, he was handed everything.

Face it, it makes no logical sense as to why anyone in the (stereotypical) IWC community would support Lesnar... except for one thing. You finally found the guy to mark out for. I'm not talking about people like Mink, since Mink isn't really a 'smark' per say. He's smart when it comes to wrestling, but he likes who he likes for whatever reason and doesn't have to rationalize it. Same with Burdur and Zanon. I'm talking about people like Dead, Ian, or Luigi. People who tend to be stereotypical internet smarks.

You finally found the guy to mark out for. You found your John Cena, your Roman Reigns. Because despite whatever may be happening in the background, you like him and want him to win. You don't care that he's jobbed everyone on the roster out (Cena), or that he's undeserving (Reigns). You dont care that he's bad on the mic (Reigns) or that he's being shoved down our throats (What you guys tend to say about Cena and Reigns). You just want to cheer for him because he's "OMG THE BADASS BROCK LESNAR! YAY HE'S GONNA KICK ASS! SHIT JUST GOT REAL!" You don't care that he's undeserving, that he doesn't give a shit about the business, that he's horrible on the mic, that he isn't a hard worker whatsoever. You just care that "HE'S MOTHERFUCKIN BROCK!! WOOO!!!" - don't try to rationalize it. That's all it is. You're those little kids who are cheering for Roman Reigns because they don't know or care about what the circumstances are, they just like the 'badass Roman Reigns kicking ass!' Which brings me to my next point...

I now sincerely hope that Roman Reigns decimates Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania and then goes on to plow through every single wrestler out there. I hope he wins the title and then beats Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler, Seth Rollins. For no rational reason other than "Vince wants to shove him down our throats." I hope he holds the title while much better and more deserving, and more talented competitors are being held down. I mean, it's the exact same thing as Lesnar, isn't it? He isn't as good in the ring, but he'll be around more often than part time, so that makes up for it, the two traits even out. Meanwhile, they're both undeserving asshole powerhouses who only care about themselves. At least Roman is going to be around, unlike Lesnar. Meanwhile, while you're all shitting bricks about Roman Reigns plowing through much more deserving people, while you're angry that Roman is decimating everyone even though he hasn't earned anything, while you're pissed that Roman is on top while he's "such an asshole backstage and is only being pushed because Vince loves him." and while you're doing all that and you're mad about the kids who continue to cheer him unconditionally because they don't care about any of that - just remember that you were those kids for Lesnar. You're getting exactly what you deserve to get with Reigns.

thank you

Eeyen wrote:

Brock has been a special attraction, though.

Oh stop. That's such a bs excuse that's been far overused. Brock isn't drawing insane numbers. Whether or not that's to blame on him is irrelevant, because he's not. and that's something people love to use for Brock, when the truth is, it's just not true.

when I ask What makes Brock so special that he gets this type of contract? What makes him so special that he can be world champion and can disappear off of tv for 3 fucking months. People usually respond "Because he is a special Attraction!" "He can draw people to the shows? He can get ppv numbers up on his name alone." and he has done none of that.

"And I bet it's his fault WWE's shows suck, right? That's all that matters, right? It's not Brock's fault he isn't a draw, it's WWE's fault. It's WWE's fault that the ONLY reason we might have to logically support Brock isn't working, so we're going to support Brock anyway!"

Face it. It doesn't matter whether or not it's Lesnar's fault he isn't a draw. Fact is, he isn't. So stop trying to use the 'special attraction' thing as an argument for Brock.

He is an undeserving fuck who has been spoon feed since Day 1 of his wrestling career. People talk shit about Orton being spoon feed, but what about Brock? Talk about how shitty of a wrestler Ryback is and Brock has been so amazing right? All those suplexs make for a great match. Roman Reigns has a rocket ship up his ass and being shoved down our throats. And what was Brock in 2002?

I wont fault Brock in the ring. While he's not nearly as good as everyone claims he is, he is very good. I am a fan of his in-ring work. But it's not enough to make up for his 100 other bad traits.

Also, I dont remember anyone saying Ryback couldn't wrestle.

It was more that he botched or was too green. He's much better now.

to people who bitch about Undertaker only working once a year. Look what fucking Undertaker has done for the decades he has worked in the WWE. I am pretty sure Taker deserves working one time a year more then Brock does.

Batman wrote:

Also, I dont remember anyone saying Ryback couldn't wrestle.

It was more that he botched or was too green. He's much better now.

Dead

Batman wrote:

Also, I dont remember anyone saying Ryback couldn't wrestle.

It was more that he botched or was too green. He's much better now.

Dead was & is still saying that Ryback can't wrestle.

But then again, that's Dead.

Batman wrote:

I wont fault Brock in the ring. While he's not nearly as good as everyone claims he is, he is very good. I am a fan of his in-ring work. But it's not enough to make up for his 100 other bad traits.

He is a good wrestler, but he hasn't shown it for awhile now. That was more of a reply to people who brought up Hogan having a limited move set when in fact he was actually a good wrestler in japan.

Does anyone really take Dead seriously? I thought he said things just to troll people?

Batman wrote:

Does anyone really take Dead seriously? I thought he said things just to troll people?

Dead takes Dead Serious

(i can't believe I used that )

I never troll people with my opinions, it's just funny watching you all get so upset to the point where it makes it seem like i'm being sarcastic.

I like how you didn't respond to any of my points. Typical Dead. At least you posted, I assumed you were gonna disappear from this thread like you always do when you don't know what to say.

To be honest, i didnt read your novel, and i know when to walk away from a discussion when the same arguments are being repeated and we're going nowhere with it.