All Hail Cena Jesus Christ       

You can't really make someone as the top babyface unless you let the heels really get heat on you.

A good example I guess would be Austin Idol beating Jerry Lawler in a hair vs. title match. Plus Idol and Tommy Rich injured Lawler before that as well. And they injured him once again after Idol beat him for The Southern Heavyweight Championship.

WWE can't seem to go without Cena for a few months. Plus they never lets heels get heat on babyfaces like that.

MooseNugget wrote:

You can't really make someone as the top babyface unless you let the heels really get heat on you.

A good example I guess would be Austin Idol beating Jerry Lawler in a hair vs. title match. Plus Idol and Tommy Rich injured Lawler before that as well. And they injured him once again after Idol beat him for The Southern Heavyweight Championship.

WWE can't seem to go without Cena for a few months. Plus they never lets heels get heat on babyfaces like that.

In WWE the faces are the heels and the heels are the faces. It's the heels who have to over come stuff now, while the Faces have no problems what so ever.

If we go by this logic, who did Rock & Austin truly help?

(I don't agree w/ any of this btw.)

Am_Dragon wrote:

If we go by this logic, who did Rock & Austin truly help?

(I don't agree w/ any of this btw.)

The Supporting cast was very strong then tho. HHH, Mankind, Taker, Kurt ect. Yes Rock and Austin where the top guys and WWE saw them as so. But when ever the other guys became WWF Champion, focus was switched to them making them feel like a big deal. If Rock and or Austin got hurt, they had a good load of guys to take over while they are gone.

If you truly look at Rock's W/L during his first run with WWE. Rock lost more than he won. Rock however won the important matches. But not saying Rock and Austin are no different from Cena. Kane only had the title for one day and they gave it right back to Austin and he won it in such a BS way.

Bull is a Rosebud! wrote:

Am_Dragon wrote:

If we go by this logic, who did Rock & Austin truly help?

(I don't agree w/ any of this btw.)

The Supporting cast was very strong then tho. HHH, Mankind, Taker, Kurt ect. Yes Rock and Austin where the top guys and WWE saw them as so. But when ever the other guys became WWF Champion, focus was switched to them making them feel like a big deal. If Rock and or Austin got hurt, they had a good load of guys to take over while they are gone.

If you truly look at Rock's W/L during his first run with WWE. Rock lost more than he won. Rock however won the important matches. But not saying Rock and Austin are no different from Cena. Kane only had the title for one day and they gave it right back to Austin and he won it in such a BS way.

So, it's Cena's fault no one else is good enough to be the top star atm?

And was Rock THE top star when you were looking at those records?

Am_Dragon wrote:

Bull is a Rosebud! wrote:

Am_Dragon wrote:

If we go by this logic, who did Rock & Austin truly help?

(I don't agree w/ any of this btw.)

The Supporting cast was very strong then tho. HHH, Mankind, Taker, Kurt ect. Yes Rock and Austin where the top guys and WWE saw them as so. But when ever the other guys became WWF Champion, focus was switched to them making them feel like a big deal. If Rock and or Austin got hurt, they had a good load of guys to take over while they are gone.

If you truly look at Rock's W/L during his first run with WWE. Rock lost more than he won. Rock however won the important matches. But not saying Rock and Austin are no different from Cena. Kane only had the title for one day and they gave it right back to Austin and he won it in such a BS way.

So, it's Cena's fault no one else is good enough to be the top star atm?

And was Rock THE top star when you were looking at those records?

He is just a much to blame as the writers and Vince. He is not clean in this.

You can debate on rather or not he was. Not saying Rock and Austin aren't top spot hoggers. But Cena is like them, but much worst really.

You are seeing this as if I am putting "All" The blame on Cena. No. I am saying he is just as much to blame as Vince and the Writers. Because you have to be a fool to believe he doesn't have control over how he is booked.

I am seeing right now with you and others as well that Cena Is a prefect angel and has nothing to do with it.

lol it's not that easy. If there were a checklist, WWE would have the next several faces lined up and ready to take over for Cena.

WWE is stuck on Cena train tho. Characters are switching roles but things are still looking the same. I truly think WWE is thick headed enough to keep Cena in that top spot for another ten years.

but I truly hope WWE proves me wrong

You can’t teach it, you can’t create it. That's what you guys need to understand. I remember during one conference call with investors, someone asked Vince McMahon who he thought was the “next Rock” in NXT. Vince laughed it off, saying they think everyone is the next Rock. The bottom-line is the “face of WWE” is something that must happen naturally and cannot be forced. Like I said, if WWE could create the next Cena/Rock/Austin/Hogan they would.

And the whole notion that Cena hasn't helped anyone is ridiculous. Because Edge & Orton benefited GREATLY from feuding w/ Cena. Don't blame Cena when some of those guys you listed aren't good enough anyways.

There will never be another one of those guys, I never even talked about that. It's about creating top talents, and a lot of these guys I listed where super fucking over with the fans. A lot of them had the tools to be a mega star. Maybe not the guy but a big freaking deal. They could be mention among guys like Savage, Jericho, ect ect. 70% of them however But WWE is so fucking thick headed in making Cena so goddamn indestructible and that no one can touch me hurts not only the others wrestlers but WWE as a whole. These guys who could be big money for WWE are getting fed left and right to the john Cena machine.

The bottom-line is the “face of WWE” is something that must happen naturally and cannot be forced? What the fuck do you can what has happen to John Cena over the past 10 years. He has been forced down the throats of the fans as goddamn superman, never changing him whatsoever. 80% of the crowds boo the fuck out of the so called top babyface. Back in the day if this happen WWE would quickly start changing shit around. Like the Rock, when he first debut people fucking hated him because he was a bland babyface. They fix that by turning him into the rock. But today WWE is too Thick headed to at least change Cena a little bit. If it's not broke don't fix it? Cena has been broken since 2006. But Vince it so badly to work he gets shoving it and shoving it down everyone's throats and wonders why it doesn't work.

Edge and Orton where being built up with Cena at the same time, from the same generation stars being groomed. Orton had flopped the first time and it took awhile til they made him a threat again. If that was to happen today Orton would be at Ryder's level because WWE quickly gives up on people. Edge was being built as Cena's ultimate counter part.

Drachen pretty much said everything there is to be said. Dunno why there's still a debate.

Is Cena SUPPOSED to help anyone? I was under the impression that WWE books the shows, not Cena. Is it his fault that WWE booked people wrong? No it isn't, foh with that dumb shit.

Cena is just like every other "The Guy" WWE has ever had. Hogan, HBK, Bret, Rock, Austin. He has fucking say so in his booking and his character. He is not the one who decide "Oh I am going to let WWE decide my faith." No, Edge and Jericho have talked about Cena having that control.

I think in most cases the face of the company comes naturally, but Cena WAS forced into being the next face of WWE. He got booed heavily and the WWE didn't back down in the slightest. Being stubborn: letting the war between the fans & haters play out without making any changes and keeping him as the center of the main event winning every PPV title match is primarily what made him so huge.

IMO it was one of the few cases where WWE created the top face more so than the top face got there naturally. Although it was honestly smart by them because all the attention put that much more focus on himself and every one of his opponents. They just could have capitalized a little more, Cena didn't need to be AS dominant as he has been. Just slightly less, having him lose huge matches here and there would have completed their booking from them as truly genius and built up quite a bit more superstars; heels and faces.

I do think the next face could've definitely been someone else if the WWE just accepted those boos and backed down on the Cena push. They were smart to take advantage of all the bad attention in this case, though, but in the end Bull has a point that even though they did create this new mega face of the WWE for years, it hasn't really helped too many other wrestlers out over the years. The spotlight and all that came with Cena's feuds throughout the years just isn't enough when the other guy is buried non-stop until it's over.

Wouldn't blame Cena for that, though, but I also never blame guys like Triple H for being dominant. In the end, it's the job of the bookers... In the end it's both to WWE's credit for the push and to WWE's blame for not capitalizing more on what they created with "Super Cena."

Deathstroke wrote:

Drachen pretty much said everything there is to be said. Dunno why there's still a debate.

Is Cena SUPPOSED to help anyone? I was under the impression that WWE books the shows, not Cena. Is it his fault that WWE booked people wrong? No it isn't, foh with that dumb shit.

Cena's place in WWE isn't a debate really. When someone talks about the “face of WWE” they’re talking about the best performer. Not just based on in-ring skills but based on a myriad of factors that sets them a part from the rest of the roster. It’s the one money guy that carries the company in merchandise sales, in ratings and represents what the company is all about.

Until we see someone else move the needle like Cena has in an already dying industry, I'll agree, but until then, it's time to get over it. If they're good enough, they'll overtake John as the top guy, but anyone else who debates that Cena isn't/shouldn't be a top guy is in denial.

He's fine as the top guy, and IMO it's perfectly fine how they've booked him overall, they just could have capitalized so much more over the years at the expense of making him just slightly less dominant.

I don't think Bull is really saying Cena shouldn't be / shouldn't have been the top guy either just that he was forced there and should have been booked differently (which I disagree on the second part, especially blaming him for it, because I feel that the way they pushed Cena is specifically what made him bigger than everyone else and helped him with his top face qualities). I think his booking just needed some tweaks instead of having Super Cena in full effect like 99% of the time.

did you find a written transcript of what Schleggdaddy did his latest video of Bull?

Bull is a Rosebud! wrote:

Cena is just like every other "The Guy" WWE has ever had. Hogan, HBK, Bret, Rock, Austin. He has fucking say so in his booking and his character. He is not the one who decide "Oh I am going to let WWE decide my faith." No, Edge and Jericho have talked about Cena having that control.

So? What's your point? We're going to hate Cena because he decided to do his job? He doesn't HAVE to do anything, and it's retarded to hate him for not doing creative's job. Hey, creative decided to job everyone. Because Cena didn't say no, we're gonna put blame on him. Seriously, grow up. Cena isn't OBLIGED to do anything, regardless of whether he can or not. It's retarded to put blame on Cena for something that is strictly WWE's fault.

Axel wrote:

did you find a written transcript of what Schleggdaddy did his latest video of Bull?

Because he has a fucking point about all this ANd all of it is true. Yes that video cause me to think and write all this and alot are similar but I have my own two cents in there as well so fuck you.

going to stop talking about this, because around here John Cena is fucking jesus christ. Whatever he does is best for business.

.... I don't even know how to respond to that. You and Dead are the exact same. You come up with retarded reasons to hate on Cena, then when your idiotic points get shot down, you go into "OMG CENA IS WORSHIPED AROUND HERE" mode. Go watch stupid Youtube wrestling fans rant about how much their least liked wrestlers suck compared to CM Punk, we all know how smart Youtube fans are.

You are the other evil who eats the shit wwe gives you. Any goddamn time Someone gives criticism of the WWE they are automatically start calling them typical IWC faggy smarks. I am calling Cena a selfish prick just like all the other top guys have been, expect he has been more stubborn and more selfish. And I could give a flying fuck about the moves. You could know 2 or 100, i could give a flying fuck. It's about story, it's about characters and their journey. But with WWE all that matter to make it the goddamn John Cena show with everything else mostly being filler.

No I don't. I constantly bash a lot of WWE's decisions and I don't agree with a lot of their decisions. Difference is, I don't bitch constantly. Everyone here knows I am insanely pissed that Lesnar ended the streak. It legitimately ruined wrestling for me. I couldn't care any less about wrestling right now despite all the good stuff going on. The only thing I care about right now is anything with The Shield or Cesaro. And even then I hardly ever watch Raw. But yet you don't hear me bitching about it every few minutes. Why? Because there's no point. WWE is gonna do whatever they want whether you like it or not. Just because I prefer to try and enjoy it instead of hating everything they do doesn't mean I "let them spoonfeed me." You take wrestling WAY too seriously if you say some dumb shit like that. You act like they're in charge of your life. They provide a show, if you like it, watch it. Which you will. If you don't, then just don't watch it and let people that do enjoy it watch it.

That said, blaming Cena for not doing creative's job is a fucking RETARDED reason to hate on someone. You know it too, which is why you're slying out of this with the Dead response of "omg everyone here loves Cena and can't take criticism omg im done." No. Your argument is retarded and flawed, that's why you're done.