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PostSubject: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:15 pm

– The Two Man Power Trip of Wrestling recently interviewed Jim Cornette, who discusses the current state of wrestling. Below are some highlights and an audio clip from the episode.

On if there is no longer a relationship with sports entertainment and professional wrestling: “I’ll never argue with that. It is definitely a bunch of athleticism. But it is a bunch of guys that are unfortunately risking their health and bodily safety for no reason. For no reason because nobody believes any of this sh*t anymore because of the ‘Corporate America’ and all of the writers, (the comedy writers) the jock sniffers as I call them that if they were caught in a men’s locker room would be whistling ‘Stranger in Paradise’. They get in and say, ‘well I can do this so much better’ and come up with these fantasy concepts and I can write lines for these wrestlers to recite. It’s horse-sh*t and unfortunately that’s where we are at these days.

“I’ve had so many people on Twitter that once again there cognitive abilities are impaired and they don’t understand what is going on and what is being said. They say oh well there is a news bulletin wrestling is not real, wrestling is predetermined. They think that I honestly believe that people don’t know that, of course I know that; that’s the point. The point is that people have been beaten over the head with the fact that wrestling is fake and that is why wrestling doesn’t draw anymore. That is why nobody gives a sh*t about wrestling compared to the ‘old days’ because they know it’s not only fake but they know how it is all done. If you didn’t know how it was done you could watch one episode of Lucha Underground and you could figure it out, because it’s as plain as the nose on your face right in front of you that that f*cking happy horse-sh*t is fake.”

Cornette on if the business has evolved to appeal to the mainstream fans: “In decades gone by almost everybody, although there were many exceptions but a large number of people knew that wrestling somehow had something going on. There was something predetermined. Something was happening but they didn’t know what, they didn’t know why, they didn’t know how and they didn’t know who and they didn’t know to what extent. I know Kriss Angel doesn’t get run over with a steamroller and flattened and get picked up with a spatula and fluffed back out but I can’t go on the internet and look at the blueprints for that trick so I don’t know how it is done. Therefore, it’s a hell of a thing to look at and I want to see it again.

“But when I read those blue prints and I see those plans and I see how it’s done and it’s not as difficult as I thought it was, I don’t give a sh*t anymore. So these stupid dumb f*ck wrestlers and promoters are allowing these stupid dumb f*ck writers to come in and sniff their jocks and tell them what to do and as a result all the credibility and all the mystery have gone out of the business and that is why and once again it is not the kids fault because they don’t bother to learn and they aren’t old enough to know that nowhere at any given point in history have fewer people watched wrestling on television, fewer people watched professional wrestling live, fewer live professional wrestling events have been staged and fewer people have been making money at professional wrestling then right now. Explain to me how that is evolution. That’s like the fish starts out with eyes and then becomes blind, it’s going backwards. Evolution is supposed to move forward.”
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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:58 am

When asked for further comment, Cornette roared, before storming off to hunt a Triceratops.

The joke here is that the old fuck is a dinosaur.
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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:28 am

^he's a dinosaur alright, but he's right on most aspects. I give you the example of my home country:
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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:14 pm

after the BS he said about Lucha Underground, fuck anything cornball has to say for now on

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:19 pm

But he's right about Lucha Underground. They're the only promotion that does worse than TNA I aint bothered

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:05 pm

Don't even start with that bullshit moose. What Jim said about Lucha Underground was bullshit and you know it. The old fuck still trying to live in the territories days. He doesn't understand Lucha Underground so there for in his dumbass opinion it sucks. He is stuck in the past and doesn't want to leave. So He can take that Nuclear bomb he said they should drop on Lucha Underground and shove it up his fucking ass.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:58 pm

Why don't you tell me what he said about Lucha Underground that untrue?

You say he's stuck in the past but he helped position Ring of Honor to be the legitimate number two American Pro Wrestling promotion. Ring of Honor gets higher ratings than TNA and Lucha Underground combined. Oh and they can actually get people to pay to attend their show.

But I guess making money and a successful wrestling promotion is "being stuck in the past."

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:12 pm

Lucha Underground is on a smaller network that is there only issue. If you put Lucha on a bigger network I am sure they can triple their ratings. Lucha Underground is different, its an alternative...a better one then TNA and ROH combined. he doesn't like Lucha underground because he doesn't get it because he believes everything should be how it was in the fucking 80s'. Newsflash it is 2016 and kayfed is dead and never coming back.

and don't say it was Jim who helped ROH become number 2 because he didn't. ROH became number 2 by default because TNA went to a smaller network. Yoorah Number 2 by default. get the fuck out of here with that shit.

And if this irrelevant mommas boy knows what it takes to make a successful wrestling company? why doesn't he start his own damn company? Pray to god it last longer then Smokey Mt. Wrestling.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:23 pm

He did start one. It's called Ohio Valley Wrestling. Still running today I aint bothered

And ROH has been growing. They continue running more shows and pay per views each year. Plus they been able to keep guys signing with WWE.

I know you just want to ignore Ring of Honor's success because it's not that cartoon wrestling you love. But fact is TNA and ROH are the same age and one grew to the number two promotion in America. The other has problems drawing 300 people to it's show that airs on the old TV Guild Network.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:28 pm

what fucking growth? ROH has been in the same fucking place its been in.

AND FUCKING OVW isn't his company. Danny Davis might wanna have a word with you. And even if he did have a lot of help in it...how much money does OVW draw? how big is ovw?

Seriously fuck Jim Cornette. He should just stick to his fucking podcast and talk about the glory days of the midnight express, were he didn't draw the same money as the rock'n roll express and shut the fuck up.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:56 pm

Lets go back 5 years ago.

Ring of Honor is about to go out of business. Unlike TNA which is Panda Oil's vanity project ROH needed to make some kind of money.

They lost their TV show on HDNet.

But Best In The World 2011 did record IPPV buys for ROH in a sold out Hammerstein Ballroom. That makes ROH so much money Cary Silkin is able to keep it open just long enough until Sinclair Broadcast Group buys the company. And who wrote the letter to SBG that they should work with ROH?

That's right Jim Cornette! And they loved his letter so much they bought the promotion.

Ring of Honor get a syndicated show that gets far more reach and viewers than when they were on HDNet.

In 2014 Ring of Honor starts running real pay per views. They had two that year.

In 2015 they had 4. That's double the amount of pay per views!

You know the TNA story. They'd be lucky to draw a crowd of 400 people that paid to see the show.

Lucha Underground doesn't even charge people to go to it's shows.

And he started OVW with Danny Davis. He sold his share of the company to Davis after his incident with Santino Marella. He didn't want to screw his friend with OVW's developmental deal so he left.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:06 am

switching from HDnet to Sinclair Broadcast whoopie...they are still in the same place. They still draw the same amount of money and people. Jim just made sure they had little TV.
ooooo they have PPVs and how many people bought them? Just the same amount of fans who always bought their IPPVs. ROH is still in the same place it was 5 years ago just different people giving them TV spots.

And OVW where did they get most of their talent and Money from when Jim was apart of OVW?.......The WWE.

Again Fuck Jim Cornette.


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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:14 am

lol you're just pulling shit from your ass. You really don't know what Ring of Honor is drawing in terms of viewers or live attendance.

Lucha Underground probably know can't actually draw in people if charge people which would explain why the just let people walk into their shows for free. And why they never actually run live shows because maybe 100 people would show up. If that.

Their ratings are so low that with what they're spending on the show they get one viewer for every 10 bucks they spend. Maybe they can catch up to ROH if they spend $4,000,000 Thirsty Mofos

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:14 am

Bull flat out talking out of his ass about ROH. No growth? That's insane that you think that might be even a little bit true.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:21 am

number 2 by default and is in the same place it has been for years. you two are just fooling yourselves if you think they got to be 2 because of growth. They probably have increased in some of their fanbase but not much. EVen if they are number 2...that is a far far far far number 2.

FUCK JIM

and FUCK ROH just because

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:28 am

lol you're just sad the Mexican cartoon wrestling can't draw worth a shit so they have to just let people free into their shows.

You'd figure as a pure television product they would run a pay per view. But they know that can't get anyone to actually pay to see their product.

Ring of Honor on the other hand is set to run 9 live events in the next 3 months alone. It'll probably be easy for them to outdraw TNA's paid attendance numbers.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:28 am

Man I don't even know what you're arguing about, and I don't give a rats ass what you think about Jim Cornette...

but to say ROH hasn't grown in 5 years is patently false. The attendance per town is way up (In some places doubled), within a year they'll have a national paid cable TV deal, their production is now modern, they've been able to match WWE's offers for talents (The Young Bucks and reDRagon.)... They've grown by a lot.

For you to undermine their growth because they didn't WCW-billionaire their way into 1st place is ridiculous.



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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:31 am

@MooseNugget wrote:
lol you're just sad the Mexican cartoon wrestling can't draw worth a shit so they have to just let people free into their shows.

You'd figure as a pure television product they would run a pay per view. But they know that can't get anyone to actually pay to see their product.

Ring of Honor on the other hand is set to run 9 live events in the next 3 months alone. It'll probably be easy for them to outdraw TNA's paid attendance numbers.

On this note, a different model would be better for them than what they're doing. They think they'll turn all the casual fans but they could have started off by grabbing the hardcore fans. If you Louis CK that shit for $8 a season (Digital download) and pimp out merch, you'd do alright... What they're doing now is a pipe dream.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:34 am

fuck you moose seriously. Lucha is far better show then ROH. And put it on bigger network and it would do even better. Not WWE better but far fucking better if you put that piece of shit ROH on a bigger network.

and ROH has increased its fanbase but I fucking seriously doubt it had to do anything with that fatass Cornette.

and I am not giving ROH about being a far number 2 because it isn't backed by like WCW. Because its not even on TNA's level when it was number 2...and even if it is...not by fucking much.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:36 am

I'll take the cartoon mexican show over the boring ass roh anyday



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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:41 am

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fuck you moose seriously. Lucha is far better show then ROH.
Seriously if it was so much better you'd figure they'd charge people to be at the shows. But they don't.

Alberto El Patrón was supposed to be a big star on Lucha Underground if he didn't go to WWE. But he couldn't even get a run with The Television Title in Ring of Honor.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:44 am

Just because they don't charge people that automatically makes them worthless? What the fuck ever moose. I am fucking done here. you can continue to worship that fatass all you want. but the fucker was wrong and is full of shit.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:48 am

i didn't want to talk shit about ROH. but talk shit about Lucha...I will talk shit about ROh

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:54 am

Yeah he was so wrong when he helped Ring of Honor become the second biggest promotion in America. They actually are able to draw people to their show and buy their pay per views.

You on the other hand was all gun ho for TNA. I remember you bitched about Spike not supporting them when they chipped in the cash for their top talent and for their tv tappings when they went on the road.

Then you bitched at Destination America for being unhappy because they were losing money with TNA because they were unable to being the Spike viewers to DA. So DA took their escape clause because they're in the business of making money, not losing it on Dixie Carter's vanity project.

Someone was wrong the past several years but it wasn't Jim Cornette. But I guess trying to make money and expand your audience is old 1980s type thinking.

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PostSubject: Re: Jim Cornette Rants About Nobody Believing in Wrestling Anymore   Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:03 am

I was talking about the bullshit comments he made about Lucha Underground

but whatever

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