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PostSubject: World Cup 2014: Brazil and Mexico face action for 'homophobic' chanting by fans   World Cup 2014: Brazil and Mexico face action for 'homophobic' chanting by fans EmptyThu Jun 19, 2014 2:20 pm

Brazil could face punishment for the “homophobic” behaviour of their fans after they were reported to Fifa over chants heard in their World Cup draw with Mexico. The Fare network, which is monitoring discriminatory behaviour at the tournament, alerted the world governing body to supporters’ use of the word “Puto” at the Group A game in Fortaleza.

Brazil and Mexico were both reported for aiming the abusive word - meaning male whore - at the opposition goalkeeper, with the visitors also cited for the same chant in their opening victory against Cameroon.

Fifa confirmed it had opened disciplinary proceedings against Mexico over the “improper conduct” of their spectators in that game.

Russia and Croatia, meanwhile, face action over “neo-Nazi” banners displayed during their respective matches against South Korea and Brazil.

Supporters of the two countries, repeat offenders when it comes to racism and anti-Semitism, were reported by the Fare network at the same time as those of Brazil and Mexico yesterday.

Piara Powar, executive director of Fare and a member of Fifa’s anti-racism task force, told The Telegraph: “It seems that some fans of some countries will take their hatred halfway around the world. These images need to be acted on urgently.

“The levels of homophobic abuse at some matches is also totally unacceptable. There is some rapid education required before it begins to run out of control.

“Fifa has some strong regulations in place and we hope they use them. Zero tolerance is the approach set out. It is what is required here.”

Brazil and Mexico could escape with a warning for what would be classed as a first offence under Fifa’s disciplinary code but Russia and Croatia may face the threat of points deductions.

The World Cup is the second major tournament in a row in which their fans have been accused of racism, with both sanctioned more than once by Uefa during the European Championship two years ago. Russia were hit with a suspended six-point penalty for their Euro 2016 qualifying campaign for various offences, including the display of illicit banners and monkey chants.

Banners at their game on Tuesday contained the Celtic Cross, a symbol used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists worldwide.

The conduct of Russian supporters will heap pressure on organisers of the 2018 World Cup, with Manchester City midfielder Yaya Touré last year warning black players could boycott the tournament if they continued to be abused after suffering monkey chants in Moscow.
Croatia’s offensive banner in the World Cup against Brazil contained the coat of arms of a fascist regime under Nazi control during World War II.

Their football federation was fined three times at Euro 2012 for various supporter offences, including the display of illicit banners and monkey chants directed at Italy striker Mario Balotelli.

The Croatia-Italy game also saw a banana thrown onto the pitch.

Fifa’s head of media, Delia Fischer, said: “We encourage individuals and groups such as Fare to submit any evidence in their possession with regard to discriminatory behaviour for the analysis and consideration of the FIFA disciplinary committee.”

Fifa’s president, Sepp Blatter, has repeatedly promised to clamp down on racism in football, calling for “sporting sanctions” such as points deductions to be imposed on offenders rather than the stadium closures favoured by UEFA. He said recently: “Sporting sanctions are the only effective punishment.”
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Russia was awarded the World Cup in 2010, while their anti-gay laws were established last year or the year before. No one knew that was going to happen.
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First of all, if these idiots want to go after ACTUAL homophobia, they would start by cancelling the World Cup in Russia in 2018. They do realize they have anti-gay laws there, do they not?

Anyone who knows Spanish knows it's comical to classify this as "homophobic".
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And if Croatia gets point deductions, i'd be happy. Big Grin!
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Not sure what FIFA need to "investigate" with Mexico fans puto chant. It has happened at every Mexico international and domestic game for years. This is not new. Issue now is how FIFA deal with it. My feeling is that it needs to be tackled by Mexico's federation and the Liga MX at domestic level over a sustained period of time .


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Russia was awarded the World Cup in 2010, while their anti-gay laws were established last year or the year before. No one knew that was going to happen.
No, but they did know about the rampant racism problem that's plaguing the game over there.
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Exactly. Now they're worried about it? Errrrrrrrr

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Brazil and Mexico could escape with a warning for what would be classed as a first offence under Fifa’s disciplinary code but Russia and Croatia may face the threat of points deductions.
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Shameful that this kind of thing is tolerated.
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That's what ya'll racist niggas get. I aint bothered
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Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr
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#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

Contradict yourself much. Funny
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Sad when people try to stand up for racist and homophobic slurs.

Blind nationalism is a plague.
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#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

#PUTO! wrote:
Puto means coward, fag, bitch, man prostitute, etc. It means many things. The fact that it's being called homophobic is fucking ridiculous. Errrrrrrrr

Contradict yourself much. Funny
There's words that have multiple meanings and what matters is context. There's no contradiction.
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Sad when people try to stand up for racist and homophobic slurs.

Blind nationalism is a plague.
It has nothing to do with nationalism. It has to do with idiots that target the wrong things when going after discrimination. I could think of situations where our fans would be acting like homophobes. But this isn't one of them. Hell as we speak #TodosSomosPutos is trending from the Mexican community. Which means "We are all putos". It has nothing to do with discrimination. It's a word that is used to get under the skin of the opposing Goalkeepers. It's context means coward.
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#TodosSomosPutos wrote:
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Sad when people try to stand up for racist and homophobic slurs.

Blind nationalism is a plague.
It has nothing to do with nationalism. It has to do with idiots that target the wrong things when going after discrimination. I could think of situations where our fans would be acting like homophobes. But this isn't one of them. Hell as we speak #TodosSomosPutos is trending from the Mexican community. Which means "We are all putos". It has nothing to do with discrimination. It's a word that is used to get under the skin of the opposing Goalkeepers. It's context means coward.

Not buying it: are there are no other words for coward in the language? They just accidentally chose that one? And how is a goalie supposed to be a coward, are they suggesting that the opposing keeper is afraid someone is going to kick the ball toward the goal? That absolutely makes no sense.

The trending thing sounds to me quite like they are reacting to FIFA and the criticism and trying to play it off. Exactly as you have done in changing your username. Looks to me more like a bunch of people saying "F-you, we'll chant what we want" by saying "see, we laughingly call ourselves that" and anyone can see through it. But why wasn't that trending a week ago before FIFA announcing it is looking at penalties -- was Mexico saying "we are all Putos then?" I think not.

After all, these are the same fans that were chanting Bin Laden's name in a 2004 match with the U.S. I guess they were really supporting freedome of religion or some other nonsense.

I've seen people defend all sorts of hate speech and try to explain why it's OK, including the N word (which seems to be your favorite word, the one you use most frequently, so forgive me if I ROFL! at any defense of hate speech you might make -- you've already undermined your own credibility by embracing it -- but I guess when you use it you mean "coward").

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Awaiting your explanation of Russians chanting "monkey" at dark-skinned players actually being a compliment because Russians love monkeys.
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The fact that FIFA is trying to eliminate Mexico’s goal kick chant but award Russia & Qatar a World Cup should tell you that this campaign is bullshit. This should be the least of their worries.
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Russia was awarded the World Cup in 2010, while their anti-gay laws were established last year or the year before. No one knew that was going to happen.
No, but they did know about the rampant racism problem that's plaguing the game over there.

Racism is rampant throughout the sport everywhere though. If you're going to tackle the race issues in soccer, dont just pinpoint one country, you gotta go after em all
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No, it's not everywhere. And no they're not doing anything about it. Part of that is because the powers that be believe racism can be stopped by "handshakes."
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Oh, & taking away the hidden intentions of FIFA, the use of "puto" in the stadiums is not a homophobic reference, because Mexicans are not making fun or mocking the goalkeepers' sexual preferences, nor are they implying that being homosexual is bad, it is a shout for calling the keeper a coward, and it is not selective of one keeper or another, it is done equally to all keepers. If it were specific to a particular player referring to his sexual preferences, I would agree totally, because the intention is completely different.

What would happen if in an "all whites" match everyone started screaming monkey chants? NOTHING. Abuses to Roberto Carlos or Dani Alves (and other monkey chants) were specific to those players because of their skin colour, so the intention was completely racist.

Call me up when they will launch an investigation into the homophobic laws in Russia, who will host the World Cup in 2018, or maybe the legalized killing of gays in Qattar, who will host the World Cup in 2022. When they do that, then we will take them seriously.
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Not buying it: are there are no other words for coward in the language? They just accidentally chose that one? And how is a goalie supposed to be a coward, are they suggesting that the opposing keeper is afraid someone is going to kick the ball toward the goal? That absolutely makes no sense.

The trending thing sounds to me quite like they are reacting to FIFA and the criticism and trying to play it off. Exactly as you have done in changing your username. Looks to me more like a bunch of people saying "F-you, we'll chant what we want" by saying "see, we laughingly call ourselves that" and anyone can see through it. But why wasn't that trending a week ago before FIFA announcing it is looking at penalties -- was Mexico saying "we are all Putos then?" I think not.

After all, these are the same fans that were chanting Bin Laden's name in a 2004 match with the U.S. I guess they were really supporting freedome of religion or some other nonsense.

I've seen people defend all sorts of hate speech and try to explain why it's OK, including the N word (which seems to be your favorite word, the one you use most frequently, so forgive me if I ROFL! at any defense of hate speech you might make -- you've already undermined your own credibility by embracing it -- but I guess when you use it you mean "coward").

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Awaiting your explanation of Russians chanting "monkey" at dark-skinned players actually being a compliment because Russians love monkeys.
I don't care if you buy it or not. What i'm saying is the reality. There are other words for coward, "cobarde" Does that sound like a chant? That doesn't sound very offensive. The point is to get under the goalkeeper's skin. The other word is a lot more powerful. "No seas puto" That means "Don't be a coward", "don't be a bitch", etc. Puto is just a cuss word that means many things with a strong connotation.

The fact that anyone calls it homophobic is comical. But i'll play your game, if we were trying to be homophibic then why didn't we use any other direct words, there are direct homophobic slurs in Spanish. Answer that. The fact that you think fans would play off getting caught is hilarious, that sounds very silly. I won't even care to explain how silly that is. Yup, EVERY Mexican fan is being homophobic and is playing it off when caught. Puto is a word Mexicans use on each other all the time.

You trying to argue this arrogantly like you know what you're talking about is silly. I know it doesn't make sense to you, because you don't know our culture and our language "But why wasn't that trending a week ago before FIFA announcing it is looking at penalties" That's such a convincing argument. Errrrrrrrr If anything that proves my point that no one thought it was going to penalized because it isn't discriminatory.

"these are the same fans that were chanting Bin Laden's name in a 2004 match " Very offensive how you just generalize all of us based on the actions of a couple. I can't defend what those fans did. But don't lump all of us in with those idiots.

Pat, you're so ignorant. Indifferent "Nigga" is not the same thing as "N*gger". You look at things in such black and white perspectives, it's not even funny. Nigga is the way African Americans have taken the venom out of the racist word, it's a term of indearment. If you think "Nigga" is an insult, you're full of shit. I call some black friends "my nigga" and they don't have a problem with it because i'm cool with them and it's a term of endearment.

I'll end it with saying you have NO idea what you're talking about because you're not Mexican, nor do you know the difference between "N*gger and nigga" Errrrrrrrr and you pretend to be an expert. Errrrrrrrr I'm not even going to waste more time trying to explain it. It's like trying to explain it to a wall.
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Oh, & taking away the hidden intentions of FIFA, the use of "puto" in the stadiums is not a homophobic reference, because Mexicans are not making fun or mocking the goalkeepers' sexual preferences, nor are they implying that being homosexual is bad, it is a shout for calling the keeper a coward, and it is not selective of one keeper or another, it is done equally to all keepers. If it were specific to a particular player referring to his sexual preferences, I would agree totally, because the intention is completely different.

What would happen if in an "all whites" match everyone started screaming monkey chants? NOTHING. Abuses to Roberto Carlos or Dani Alves (and other monkey chants) were specific to those players because of their skin colour, so the intention was completely racist.

Call me up when they will launch an investigation into the homophobic laws in Russia, who will host the World Cup in 2018, or maybe the legalized killing of gays in Qattar, who will host the World Cup in 2022. When they do that, then we will take them seriously.
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